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VETERANS SECTION INDEX
Index of Veterans Section (here) TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) PTSD (Post-traumatic stress disorder) Honorable Acts (Medals, etc.)
Criminal Issues Post-Combat Military Rapes (Rapes of Males/Females, Marine Abuse, etc.)
Miscellaneous (Veterans Organizations, Healing, etc.) Agent Orange McCain Issues
See Also Related Subjects Iraq (Battles, current emphasis historical review of Operation Iraqi Freedom) Iraq (pre-2003 weapons buildup)
Note by PF/RG 2020/02/05 this Commentary was written quite awhile back at the start of the website; many changes since then.
Some points from OIF I feel should have happened:
1. Pull Out and Assess.
2. Less time on Civilian Politics Using Nation Building distractions - More Time on Securing a Strong Core:
3. Infrastructure, Infrastructure, Infrastructure: Key City Strongholds with Infracture Sustaining and Building
Here are some factors which could be part of the problem in pulling out and infrastructure building and maintenance:
1. Middle Eastern and other culture and media - pulling out might be seen as
weakness, as losing and cowardice,
and might be exploited by the media in this regard.
2. Pulling out completely might have resulted in a Shiite mass killing of the minority of Sunnis as genocidal warfare.
2. Infrastructure building and maintenance cannot be done when people are being constantly hammered by terrorist attacks.
Positive Constructs Commentary - Some Alternative Views on Veterans
It is fully American to question 9/11; if we know what happened, we should speak up; if we were participants in the act or
cover-up, we should admit it; veterans who were part of 9/11 - as well as active duty personnel - should admit it.
See Veterans - Resources (Human Issues Section)
War starts with violence; violence starts with abuse, neglect and non-positive thought patterns. Thought patterns come from
society, home and religious influences.
Wars usually are fought over: vindictive retaliation (tit for tat); land; money; goods/products; religion, fear of encroachment,
expansion or secret plots; and differences in cultural orientation.
Discussion: The Wild Gait of the Mutiny; The Antithetical American Veteran; Post or Current Military Let Downs Behind
Reprisals, Depression, Suicides; Who Is Really Running the Show?
Veterans Forced to Keep Riding Old Politics After the Horse Has Died; Black Box Agendas; Fodders of War
Peace Organizations Should Not Be Seen As Threat To Veteran Needs And Interests
War Often Considered The Price For Peace
War is something most people would rather avoid. There really are no words to express its intensity and damaging aftermath. Many
times the pros and cons about war before going into one are weighed heavily by governments. We generally expect an open and fair
play of discussion and votes by a diverse group of leaders put into office to reflect the citizenry. Expansion or secret plots by another
country require blocking or nipping in the bud before things get worse, but sometimes the negatively escalating situations in other
countries now requiring intervention had help from the United States before things got out of hand. In these cases, we wind up
fighting people who have guns and other weapons we ourselves sold to them. In other cases, it seems the CIA or big business tweaks
things overseas to foment discontent which then forces the US military to have to go in and do a patch job. The tactics that were
meant to create chaos for the “bad guys” and training for the “good guys” (like in Nicaragua) can be loaded with additional hidden
agendas (like drug profits) and broader organized crime systems which are then turned on the US as part of an overall hidden scheme
of defiling the US and the takeover of its Constitutionally sincere and legitimate functions.
The Wild Gait of the Mutiny
When a country’s government and military uses its people for agendas not openly disclosed, we find large numbers of victims called
veterans - often dead, wounded, or emotionally injured for the rest of their lives. We also currently might be witnessing a divided
veterans group with one of the divisions requiring US intervention from within. This is a rogue group in mutiny against the United
States. It’s what you are seeing in all of the police abuse scandals, the surveillance abuse and the growing sense of Big Brother. The
rogue groups, including a certain sector of the veteran population, have infiltrated various levels of the military-police-big business
composite. It is a difficult topic, one that many veterans would prefer to avoid.
We should look for intricate veteran network connections with a variety of anti-USA organizations and countries. Understand that
these veterans have their own self-driven agendas, do not represent the full body of diverse veterans, and that they do damage to the
large bulk of well-meaning and non-complicit veterans from all decades of our country’s history. This rogue group has initiated a
mutiny against our country, and it is a very real mutiny and must be taken seriously.
What is a mutiny against a country? It is about trying to force everyone to believe one thing and to aspire to one code or system. It is a
covert battle for a totalitarian system, one that is not what the American system was set up to be. Any deviation from the real
meaning behind the American Constitution is a mutiny. The Constitution was designed to protect us from tyrants who abuse power.
The mutiny distracts from positive constructs for veterans. Some veterans need to be left alone to heal and contend with old age
without dealing with all of the problems associated with a mutiny and system abuse. Other veterans feel the calling to jump in and try
to help stop the mutiny in some way. Either way, we must support these veterans as a country and not let them fall prey to the bad
press surrounding the “military-police” problem. We need to distinguish between mutineers and veterans caught in the middle or on
The Antithetical American Veteran
In other words, the mutiny against our country is about veteran needs, complaints, frustrations and goals - not necessarily non-
American yet still anti-American. The mutiny represents certain values and goals that have an American background but do not
represent the full scope of what it means to be American. It can include things like the Religious Right, neo-Nazis and male dominated
We then have yet other veterans of mixed persuasions and goals, but many smart enough to realize a mutiny is not where it’s at; some
of these veterans are trying to alert the public about what is really going on in government and in the military-police problem or are
trying to stay out of it because they have their own problems. The ones willing to step forward and help are vital to our country’s
safety and our world in general. Non-mutiny veterans must be assisted as much as possible or healing and financial help. Veterans
with background information on the mutiny must be allowed to safely get their messages out to the public. In addition, we need
these people for their skills, experience and background knowledge in fighting the shadow government agendas which include blatant
bypassing of American Constitutional laws and principles and organized crime types of activities. This includes illegal drug sales,
thievery (local and large scale), violence and murder. It includes information like “The Mossad did 9/11” and what went down at Abu
Ghraib as well as other things. It can even be information on hidden networks in small towns, not just big cities.
In terms of the rogue veteran group, we can look for discontented patriarchal systems including right wing Christianity, anti-
homosexuality, anti-unemployed/homelessness/itinerants, conservative Mormonism, connections to KKK, Third Position, Nazis and an
overall pro-male orientation. Women who follow the ways of these men or organizations tend to have discernible characteristics
themselves with at least a few types possible: deferring (demure) wife, helpful wife with an active supportive and secondary
authority/military approach, non-white member of a terrorist organization, and an active gun-wielding military type participating in
things like drug and gun sales and/or minority (ie, South America, South Africa) Communist motivations. Women run the gambit from
religious right affiliations to politically charged anger with the United States. Obviously, these categories are far too simple, but the
real point in bringing this up is to stimulate the creative thinking needed to appreciate both the general trends of the religious right
rogue group but to stay flexible about how diverse the affiliates and their agendas can be. The patriarchal anti-female thing among
the religious right and certain not particularly spiritual types is very real, though, and should not be ignored. There is a link in anger
toward women or a dislike of them among certain members of the rogue group. How women themselves get caught up in the
negativity toward women is a subject addressed several times on this website because it is a complex psychological phenomenon. One
of the examples of this totalitarian system problem is Chinese police officers or prison guards beating up on other women. Women
can be their own enemies. Astute women of all colors and political persuasions know that The Mutiny will take them down a dark and
dangerous hole with no return.
Post or Current Military Let Downs Behind Reprisals, Depression, Suicides, Etc.
In addition, both categories of veteran victims as described above often feel duped or taken; people may then go into denial or
depression over the fact their lives were treated so carelessly and thoughtlessly. In that case, they might feel their lives were taken up
for agendas which were not what they were represented to be. The war agendas were to the advantage of certain groups of people
for whom these soldiers would never have gone to war if the truth had been disclosed. It seems in this country that it is only later that
we learn the veterans had no real power of choice; they went into war with basic assumptions and came out on the other side learning
later just exactly why they were sent into such terrible places. How many of us really in our heart of hearts feel our lives are worth
protecting Big Business interests? Beyond these things, often the post-war support is inadequate or non-existent.
Who Is Really Running the Show?
People who are comparatively safely out of the way of direct battle zones in the White House or other political chambers make the
decisions to send others into deadly situations. These political officials might have personal economic and power agendas not
disclosed to the average soldier or citizen. Beyond that, their affiliations might be publicly known and their agendas assumed based
on that, but how far they will go for narrow directives not fully disclosed might show up later. They could be backed by wealthy people
hiding in the shadows, steering programs and government officials as cast members in a play. In addition, they might have income or
loyalty ties to things like oil and gas or militant groups with agendas linked to racial or world power issues.
Just One Of Us Dumb Niggers
Sometimes a past affiliation with one of these groups, or even a weak link like a racial similarity, could make a person a potential
target both as a victim and as someone these groups want to use to further their agendas. For example, African Americans who have
only tinkered with Black Power groups in the past might be considered a useful pawn by that group far into the future, especially if
that person is in public office. An interesting thing to consider is how minority groups in demanding power for themselves might
project victimhood onto others; they might dig in harder or target victims in their same real or perceived class (skin color, religion,
ethnic group, etc.) In other words, by figuring others are “just one of us low lives” they might be especially hard on what they figure are
fellow victims. So you can be African American and targeted by Black Supremacists just because you are a person of the same general
type of color or race. This might sound crazy, because we might expect sensitivity or extra support based on skin color but it can also
go the other way. If you are “just” one of us, and we are working on the other side of the line in terms of group violence, things can
take on reverse connotations.
Abuse Among a Class Because of the Class, Not Despite It
Abused people might abuse themselves first because that’s all they’ve known, or it’s violence turned inward. People might go after
their own kind first to force network help in terms of a take-over. It’s kind of a “we’re all just a bunch of dumb niggers” attitude where
the subgroup rubs the perceived mud into other subgroup types. There might be an increased chance for rape, abductions, and
focused brutality with anyone who seems to be a likely same-category victim by the group trying to make a statement in a country
and/or to the world. We used African Americans and international African types as an example here, but we could use any group that
feels it has something to say to the world through violence and sees other people as part of their group type in some way. We could
just as easily talk about Irish Catholics, Muslims, Jews and many other group types in this discussion.
Class Distinction Demands Group Favors
In the scenario above, there might be increased chances for abductions, telepathic interference, and efforts at offering funds in return
for group favors. We are also told group affiliations occur among the nation’s elite through prestigious universities; how much that still
goes on to this day is debatable after all the media attention, but there does seem to be a basis in truth that certain wealthy groups
have had a subversive mind control operation running through them to the point it interferes with and controls politics, business and
the military. When those kinds of hidden programs and agendas interface with world events and American international programs,
military programs are right there in the middle of it all.
Utopian ideals, Totalitarian Reality: No Rainbows On the Horizon
Minority groups might be sung a song of utopia only to get another totalitarian system at the end of the rainbow. Taking advantage of
low education or inadequate insights into the full human condition - not just that of minorities - can lead to an exaggerated sense of
self-importance and justification for rebellion. When it is all said and done, the new leaders might be worse than the old system with
no one safe, anywhere. It is better to stay put and fix the current system than bet on an unknown leadership and system, especially if
extreme violence was the modus operandi for change during times that were not currently that bad, but just a reprisal for previous
bad times. In other words, taking it out on people after the fact and not as a means for defense is violence for the sake of violence and
does not bode well for a truly balanced and healthy government of the future.
Veterans Forced to Keep Riding Old Politics Long After the Horse Has Died. Black Box Agendas. Fodders of War
What happens to politicians has a direct bearing on what happens to veterans before, during and after a war or other battle-ridden
operations. We have to realize that people directing power for themselves in one decade can impact a veteran for many more
decades to come, even after that president is long deceased, or the influence of the political group greatly reduced. In addition, there
are a number of advanced hidden approaches to manipulate those in power as puppets - so even if those officials had good intentions
in the first place, they might be used by hidden forces back behind the scenes - things like mind control, drugs, abuse, technologically
advanced implants and psychic invasion. There are many black box scientific experiments past and present raising the level of ability
to invade and destroy which most of us are not aware of; we might suspect something’s out there, but we don’t know exactly what it is.
Even the things we can access without security clearances are mind boggling and show clear indications that those with money and
power could have the ability to abuse humanity and the globe if so chosen. These forces can work on any of us - not just those within
the political or media limelight. Vast numbers of young people who have not yet developed critical thinking skills and life experiences
to question their military or government are the bulk of the ones used as fodder in war. By the time they realize they are being
manipulated and lied to, it is often too late. It can take some of us years to figure out that there truly are corrupt politicians and
business people with well-planned strategies to exploit others for their personal agendas.
Peace Organizations Should Not Be Seen As A Threat To Veteran Needs And Interests
Promoting peace is not in any shape, size or form downplaying veterans who have been or continue to be in battle zones. We are all
caught up in things which often seem bigger than we are, and when called to war, many of us go for one reason or another, whether
voluntary or not. A veteran is a veteran, and in most cases deserves our respect, concern and sincere support. Most veterans who
come out of battle zones realize that violence begets violence. The voices of peace which come from both within and outside the
veteran arena are worth our attention. Many times these people share insights and opinions which take us out of the normal roles
dished out to us by those who would want to make joining or being a member of the military a “Rah Rah” thing, complete with yellow
ribbons, bumper stickers and showing off who serves or served in which branch of the service. When we see these things next to
football banners with slogans, we can pretty much interpret that war has become a served up dish of false glory and image, caught up
in the land of advertisement and the superficial playing on people’s emotions. Just remember the wealthy people behind the scenes
making money off those advertising gambits in one way or another, and the whole thing can become more sobering. This type of
media hype sparks people’s quick gut responses and discourages them from thinking things through more carefully. It encourages a
mentality which gives people the assurance that they belong to the right groups and are all on the same right wavelength. The
advertising numbs people from the real horrors and dangers of war by giving them an artificial sense of safety and inclusion. People
can feel cute driving around with their bumper stickers advertising their connections to the military up to the point they are hit by a
missile or body bomb; then it’s no longer so much fun